You can blame Microsoft Flight Simulator for the flight stick shortage were experiencing. VKB offers an adapter that has to replace the stock connector/pinout in the grip. Both multiple cam and spring force options. Ultimately, it's likely either VKB or Vipril gear will work great for you and you'll be more than happy with either. I've been lucky enough to have purchased of a Virpil CM2 throttle and a Constellation Alpha on Warbird base and I think they are fantastic! Outline:0:00 - First impressio. You can also remove about an inch of height from the pedals, stripping off the rubber feet and the entire lower frame, to attach them directly to a custom flight seat. Initially I'm after a stick and will continue to use my X55 throttle, eventually I'll replace my throttle or possibly go 2 sticks. 2012-2022 1C Game Studios | 1-777 Limited, 32 Kritis Street, Papachristoforou Building, 4th Floor, 3087 Limassol, Cyprus. While the input devices alone are excellent, Virpil also has a line of surprisingly affordable custom mounting solutions. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). It was a bit of a process to pull apart my two kosmosima grips to fish out the good peg and slap it into my right hand stick, but I'm starting to get a little miffed with the durability of some of these small components. 03.03.20|The sheets for the ALPHA-grips have been updated (the dual-push for the scroll encoder has been added and there was a problem with duplicating entries). If you have the budget for it, I'd say wait a week to see some reviews for the MCG Ultimate. Youll find examples from both brands where people got shipped a dud product or had a bad experience with customer service, but on the whole theyre both producing excellent hardware and its gonna come down to personal preference for the most part. So, just to make sure I have this strait, MCG is the 'Modern Combat' Gunfighter stick and the Kosmosima is the 'Space Combat' edition of the gunfighter? WarBRD with more throw has some difficulties for center this heavy grip. - Virpil WARbrd vs VKB: WARbrd base has movement range of +/-22 degrees, where as the VKB bases have +/-15 degrees. The biggest thing for me seems to be waiting time. Its high-end equipment is currently in stock. The non-marking pads on the mounting hardware, for instance, began to slide off after several weeks of continuous use. I'd pass on the NXT if your budget allows for something with cams. How easy was the software to learn? You all have inspired me to investigate higher quality gear for my flight sim time. You basically have the exact situation as me, except that I am using detachable desktop mounts to put the stick and throttle at a better hight for my arms, which I can then move them out of the way after play, like you had to. What 'limit' are you talking about? I will look for that in VPC config software. Vs the VKB Gunfighter MK3 with the modern combat edition grip and 200mm s curve extension for 433.13 euro ($707.21 aud) (includes shipping). The full analog mini on both (plus the option of the second which is switchable from digital hat to analog on the fly on the MCG Pro) offers additional axes besides the main X/Y. My experience with these sticks is in a HOSAS setup (With the MCG being part of my old HOTAS), so there may be some "synergy" for HOTAS binding considerations that might sway one way or another for the MCG vs Constellation. You'll see I haven't even mapped the 2nd choice analog features of the top MCG hat on the right hand, ran out of needalso have some repeats left and right in case I get confused in heat of moment. 1 - does anyone have both of these setups and can tell me what they prefer? However, worse was that ED (and Il-2 and DCS) now do not recognize any of the axes on the throttle. So vkb is not the first/only. Dunno how it is usable in space sims. 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WarBRD with more throw has some difficulties for center this heavy grip. Starting to wonder about the all-metal construction with that new ultimate grip, and maybe investing in a heavier duty base. Somebody has also made some printable maps so that you can record what and where you have settings. Lastly if you have any thoughts please let me know as i know for some spending this kind of money is easy but for its hard for me as now that i have a young family money isnt just failing out of my wallet and i want to make the right purchase as i can barely afford to do it once. Where as the constellation/kosmosima grips where designed with twisting in mind. It has plenty of hat switches, plus an assortment of triggers that are perfect for games in the IL-2 Sturmovik family or other high-end simulations. Cookie Notice Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Virpil pedals are much, much lower to the floor and accommodate a wider stance which, as a 66 man, I greatly appreciate. If youre playing a more hardcore flight simulator, like something from the DCS World portfolio, you probably already know about VKB. Everything I've ever bought from VKB has been spot on out of the box. > Pictures So just swap grips and flash firmware for the. I have a VKB stick/pedals and a Virpil throttle, and I feel that VKB hardware is higher quality overall (mostly due to the electronics/internals). It will simply store your configuation under "custom". Virpil also may be a little easier to get your hands on sooner rather than later. But, if youre looking to spend a relatively modest amount of money on a more general purpose device something that might work with terrestrial and space flight I recommend you take a look at Virpil Controls, a small European company that is doing some really remarkable work. But it might give you some ideas regarding quantity of controls being 'enough'. https://1drv.ms/p/s!AuHD2NL7qn3w3gxZVfByQOacohmx?e=RhWkjj. By If you buy something from a Polygon link, Vox Media may earn a commission. Question on the VKB customization software? Please note you will lose the axis on the brake lever that comes with the Virpil grip, as the Warthog grip only supports button press on that lever. I'm in a similar boat to you. Good news for fans of Microsoft Flight Simulator, Elite Dangerous, and Star Citizen. Both the MCG (right hand only) grip and Kosmosima Premium (left or right) have plenty. Between the WarBRD and Gunfighter options it really seems to come down to personal preference and I'll never know without putting my hands on each. Problem isn't your Virpil, Elite Dangerous cannot use past 32 buttons on a device. Sorry to resurrect the thread, but I've have my MongoosT-50CM2 throttle for a couple of months and my Constellation Delta should be in this week. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The VKB base has some nice features the Virpil base doesn't have (dampers) and overall just rates a bit higher in terms of quality/performance. and our You might want to look for something with versatility since a lot of REALLY nice sticks try to fit specific requirements, like DCS OR ELITE rather than DCS AND ELITE. I received it in just over 4 weeks too, just a day before Christmas! Yes I followrd their guide. I do find VKB to do much nicer and cleaner internal work which matters if or when you have to open up your grip. Both are great sticks, I have both of them and use extensions with them - however I have not tried using the Warthog grip as I am happy with their grips. I love both sets but have settled on an MCG Gunfighter with T-rudders and the Virpil throttle. (e.g. First post here. I've had Virpil for a while and have even refined my setup over time trying different grips/bases/throttles. The thing that really sold me on it is that the hat switches and mini sticks on the the top are completely modular, so you can literally just drop whichever one you like to suit your purposes without having to take apart the stick. Same would be true with the Gunfighter. > Sales Thank you guys for the help. If so, how and what programs? JavaScript is disabled. For using the Warthog grip, the easier to work with would be the Virpil base, as it uses the same pinout/connections. I plan on positing a review of the mcg ultimate once I receive it (should be getting it later this week hopefully) if you're curious. Out of the box, Virpils large, grippy rubber feet stay put on most surfaces. Swapping out the throttle for another stick meant that I had to constantly hold the left-hand stick forward to maintain forward thrust. You are using an out of date browser. That means you can easily arrange for a much more complex dual-stick set-up. Unfortunately, they're a way down the list now. All rights reserved There's only so much your thumb can roam around and do. Please also read our Privacy Notice and Terms of Use, which became effective December 20, 2019. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Thank you for all the suggestions. Something went wrong. It may take time. I mostly play Elite Dangerous in VR and they have been fantastic for this with so many buttons and axis. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Me personally I plan to upgrade to mcg ultimate with the gf mkIII base from vkb, when they come out for people who dont already have gf base in February. And, just like everyone else, Virpils stuff is on backorder as well. I use Joystick gremlin, so elite can see all the buttons on the throttle. Both can be gotten with twist. The VKB base has some nice features the Virpil base doesn't have (dampers) and overall just rates a bit higher in terms of quality/performance. The configuration software is very detailed but complicated. Elite will not show a profile that specifically names the Virpil hardware. Virpil is a more competitive option if you want to use TM grips out of the box (but you could just buy a VKB adapter and do the same or a WinWing base). I have an in-depth write up here. Choosing a selection results in a full page refresh. For around $70 you can get the Virpil Desk Mount V3-S. The VKB is slightly more refined whilst the Virpil is heavier duty. I will be using the TM Warthog grip with a stickextension, so if anyone happens to run a similar setup on either the VKB or Virpil yourthoughts will be greatly appreciated. Note that youll need two of the Desk Mount V3-S devices for a HOSAS solution using the Virpil Constellation sticks, which brings the price of accessories up to $140. I intend to do mostly spaceflight sims with the stick(s). After correspondence with Virpil I have to load and create a profile for each device individually, one at a time. I have a Virpil setup. That brings the price for a full HOTAS mounting solution closer to $180. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. I can say you really can go wrong either way you go. I can't speak for Virpil's interiors but I've been inside the grip on my VKB and the way they use independent little boards with pin receptacles to link things together on the Kosmo Premium is amazing, and would be very easy to obtain parts for repair if only one control were to fail for any reason. This is significant. VKB keep iterating through new revisions of their products, sometimes breaking backwards compatibility. I haven't checked Virpil in a while but didn't think anything had more than the MCG Pro, with the hat over on the index finger position as well as on the thumbrest. I would not have thought there were no set binds for those devices, and its up to your personal preference to programme in. Still, you cant really go wrong with either choice. What little product is actually available even used equipment is going for wildly inflated prices. Please check your email to find a confirmation email, and follow the steps to confirm your humanity. Can't speak for Virpil as I've got VKB, so disclosure, obviously this is possibly biased opinion. It feels more robust than the Logitech X-52 and X-56, but lighter than the all-metal Thrustmaster Warthog. Try contacting vkb about the broken parts, depending on how old your stick is, I've seen people post on here that they just sent them a bunch of parts to repair failed items. Ive been taking it for a test drive on my custom-built flight rig. Got a Virpil throttle but I can only program about half the hats, axis', and buttons because of ED limiting us to 32 "buttons" per device. Nevertheless, late last year Virpil sent along a selection of its most popular flight gear. Using a Virpil HOTAS in Elite Dangerous Ken Cikas 1.25K subscribers Subscribe 61 Share 7.4K views 2 years ago Finally got around to editing this down. The only other thing up in the same price and perhaps build quality (I don't truly know about them either other than what I've read here, they're trying at least) is Winwing but their stick option is much more limited in overall controls. And just last night the plastic peg for one of the hat switches snapped. 3 - anyone with theses setups i am conimg from a logitech x56 how to they compare in terms of build quality and feel? See our ethics statement. Just use the Virpil configuration software, click the box for split by 32 buttons on the profile page and calibrate it. If you go with a HOTAS solution instead, making use of one of Virpils fully-customizable throttle boxes, youll need a slightly larger version of the clamp and a special adapter plate. Both companies use high quality metal gimbals and contactless sensors for axes. Right now my mind is still on a throttle rather than 2 sticks and I'm looking at either the Virpil MongoosT or the VKB one that is allegedly coming in a couple of months. , So, I am currently having a hard time choosing between the two flight sticks that seem to be most likely to fit my needs; those options being Virpil VPC Constellation on WarBRD base and VKB Gunfighter Mk3 'space combat edition.'. Just got the Virpil Constellation Alpha-R grip with the Warbrd base, as well as the 50 CM2 throttle and elite doesn't see any Virpil hardware. After plenty of research my decision has come down to either Virpil - VPC WarBRD base with Constellation Alpha stick, VKB - Gunfighter MK.III base with SCG (Kosmosima) stick, VKB - Gladiator NXT (for the benefit of any noobs like me, this is a base and includes the SCG Kosmosima stick). I use one from Wavlink and have 7 devices plugged into it with no problems, including a Virpil joystick, a VKB joystick and a Virpil throttle. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. Explaining the difference is difficult to do with words. I will try them. I do use pedals too but haven't even mapped twist on my right hand, so that's itself not a limitation if you didn't intend to use them. You must log in or register to reply here. Maybe you should check out youtube and see the posts about how to do the setup. Price isn't the issue as much as quality for me. Virpil's software isn't very intuitive. You're not running all your USB devices through the one hub are you? I only have experience with vkb, but from everything I've read on here they are, for the most part, neck and neck, and I can't see you being disappointed with either. Perhaps toe break tension as well. I read a few posts about which is best but most people commenting have not used both to really compare. Most people get around this by using software such as Vjoy, Joystick Gremlin, or JoyToKey. It features a dead-simple clamp with an adjustable bite, which you can dial in to firmly grasp the edge of your desk surface and hold fast. I saw Vjoy mentioned as a solution but it seems to be half of the solution because it seems to require another program to virtually map the physical device (in this case a throttle). Valve Corporation. If I want to upgrade in the future I can just buy the Gunfighter base and use the kosmosima stick (If VKB follow through and actually let you buy bases separately). Valve Corporation. The Virpil Constellation Alpha also comes in a left-handed variant. Got a Virpil throttle but I can only program about half the hats, axis', and buttons because of ED limiting us to 32 "buttons" per device. This alone has made me settle on getting the Virpil base. Looks like the Virpil devices need more power that I have available. newsletter. Second, know that the current incarnation of the Virpil throttle box may simply be too much for most users. HOSAS made me a harder target to hit, and helped to improve my own aim especially with fixed weapons. Money isn't really an issue for me. 2 - is virpil worth the extra $200+ more and a very long wait. So far Im extremely impressed. If I had to choose one it would be an Alpha L or R whichever was needed, and as a pair Virpil arguably makes the best HOSAS you can get. I also built a button box arrangement into my chair power controls (seat adjust, subwoofer, surround shoulder speakers, cooling) and find I almost never let go of the sticks to USE the button box. For more information, please see our What I've put together is a bit of how I use. Just wish they would have shipped with more replacement parts if they're so prone to breaking under regular usage. VIRPIL hardware - key mapping setups (PDF) for you to fill out Only set up a profile for each device with the other unplugged. It will also likely have the same kind of impact when Elite Dangerous: Odyssey launches later this year, adding first-person, on-foot gameplay to that spacefaring game. Will cost me less money since I can just plug in my Warthog without having to buy that $50 adapter from VKB. Both to really compare investigate higher quality gear for my flight sim time i had to constantly the. 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