Read about our approach to external linking. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can I wrote this song a long time ago. 1905. Frederick "Ben" Rodgers author of "Lily & Me", "The Royal Navy & Me" and collector of Rover automobiles, Review from Newfoundland CraigChurchill. It was hoped that Developers Haylink Ltd would start work early this year, but their plans were scuppered by the Covid-19 pandemic. "A lot of the boys came from foster homes, or Barnardos. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Several tales about bullying and the harsh regime generally, not so much about the famous and frequent official canings. It had to be neatly folded and stacked, each item one above the other, with each item measuring exactly nine inches wide and one inch flat. Mr Youngman, who joined the navy aged 15 in 1965, said he had previously climbed up to the top of the mast but "couldn't wait to get back down". But, because of the lockdown nothing has really moved and I think, even though construction workers havent leagally been told theyre not allowed to do anything, the owners are a bit reluctant to move. Doesnt sound too bad does it. 4 reviews When Peter Broadbent entered HMS Ganges, the toughest training establishment for young recruits to the Royal Navy, he was a naive 15-year-old Yorkshire schoolboy, entranced with the idea of seeing the world, proud of his drainpipe trousers and DA hairstyle, and eager to meet girls. Maurice was nothing to do with HMS Ganges, in fact he had been a crew member of HMS Hambledon. Looking pretty in candy-striped pyjama bottoms and naked chests, we were ordered across the parade ground, through the snow and ice, to the 'heads', that grown-up potty land, which had neither doors nor partitions around the bowls for privacy, to partake in our morning ablutions, a most embarrassing experience. My DO was so unforgetable I can't remember his name, but he ponced around with his handky up his sleeve and a curled lip. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. Tony Hayden. During the third disastrous week, it spent so much time on the deck I thought I might as well leave it there! Some boys were home sick, some just tried to stay out of trouble, one or two ran away. A question of Religion?Maybe MaybeNot???? Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. I allowed my head to tilt backward, sending my gaze to the very top, to the lightning conductor where the Button Boy stood on ceremonial occasions. However, in the meantime we were still at the mercy of our instructors. NO FLOWERS FOR GEORDIE, HE'S NOT HERE TODAYTHE SEA HAS CLAIMED MY GEORDIE BOYPLEASE NO FLOWERS TODAYFIFTEEN YEARS OF LEARNING, HE'LL NOT GO DOWN THE MINESO WE TOOK HIM NEAR TO IPSWICH TOWNFAR FROM THE SEAMS OF THE TYNEIN A PLACE THEY STILL CALL 'GANGES' WITH TWO THOUSAND OTHER BOYSHE LEARNED TO SPLICE AND SAIL A BOATTALL ORDERS WERE HIS TOYSTHE 'BULLY BOYS' CAME NIGHTLY, DID THINGS A BOY COUNDN'T TELLBUT THEY MADE HIM WRITE IN HIS LETTERS HOME MAMMA YOU'R BOY'S DOIN WELLTHEN NEWS CAME OF SOME FIGHTING IN A FAR OFF DISTANT LANDWE NEED THOSE BOYS THUS SPAKE FOUR RINGSIN OUR BIG SHIPS THEY CAN RIDEIT'S WRITTEN ON HIS PAPERS, TWAS NOT THE DEED OF A MAN BUT A WAVE THAT TOOK MY GEORDIE BOYFIVE MILES OFF PLYMOUTH SOUNDSO NO FLOWERS FOR GEORDIE HE'S NOT HERE TODAY THE SEA HAS CLAIMED MY GEORDIE BOYPLEASE NO FLOWERS TODAY. and I got seven days 9s. Network 157.90../16 Abuse Contact API. The white letters would then be transformed, by our nimble fingers, into red with silk thread using the chain stitch. Helpful Report abuse Kindle Customer Sorting The Wheat From The Chaff Reviewed in the United States on March 28, 2014 Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to Some 100 boy-sailors were in the canteen, chewing and chattering; clattering knives forks and spoons against plates and bowls. Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. Unfortunately HMS Ganges is no longer there apart from a few buildings and what is left of the mast. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. The previous evening I'd arrived at HMS Ganges training annexe, with an assortment of other would-be-sailors, and was placed in the capable hands of a spotty-faced junior instructor and a bullet-proof gunnery instructor who wore crossed guns on both lapels. what an incredible article, thanks for that dave, how far did you get up that mast? Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. Ganges Museum is located at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, in what was the Enright Block, on the foreshore of the former H.M.S. contact the editor here. I had already taught myself to swim. 2023 BBC. This was where the roped rigging jutted out some ten feet - above it, the platform. Even by naval training standards life there was controlled by a very strict regime. Maybe we were unlucky with Instructors as one was Court Marshalled, discharged and sent to prison for so called abuse. I heard many boys saying things like , dont bend over in front of the seamanship officer, or always face him dont turn around. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's I was out of there in an instant, but never said a word to anyone, I was just happy it was over and I had qualified. He was quite good too. Abuse Details. This punishment was something I never witnessed and can only describe from what other boys told me. The noise was excruciating. Find BBC News: East of England on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. No way would the Royal Navy let the opportunity to instill fear into a young boy pass them by, So began another nine months of laughter and tears, disaster and joy. 1927. RO1 (T) Served from 1970 - 1975 Served in HMS Ganges. "In 1860 she was decommissioned and laid up, and in 1866 she was turned into a training ship, and her guns were removed. "The rest of the buildings, including Nelsons Hall and the swimming pool will be converted into flats, shops and a sports centre. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. The Royal Naval Training Establishment Shotley (known within the Royal Navy as HMS Ganges) was established in southern Suffolk in 1905. He would lay on the number of cuts prescribed, each cut raised a welt on the boys buttocks. Below are just some of our members who have served at HMS Ganges. These were all regular happenings at Ganges. She had taken on the previous duties from the wooden ship H.M.S. To get out of the showers we had to stand before our instructor legs apart arms raised for inspection. I was sent to the training Ship HMS Ganges a cruel harsh 12 months lay ahead of me and thousands of other boys. We caught up with Jim Dines, Director of TS Rigging, whose team. Life on the ship was extremely hard, with a memorial in Mylor, Cornwall, recording the names of 53 people who died while training on it between 1866 and 1899. Standing at 143ft, the mast is made up of three main parts; the main 75ft mast came from HMS Cordelia, a steam corvette built in Portsmouth, the top mast of 47.5 ft wooden ruffle box from HMS Agincourt, which was renamed HMS Boscawen, and then Ganges II. Sad to see such an establishment close as it was so full of history and meant so much to so many. We had just finished PT before going to supper, so I was in shorts. 1971. Sadists most of them and that's from a 15 year old who was in a council care home before he joined, streetwise to fcuk and kept my head down. Probably running away was the worse decision, they were always caught and returned to the camp. Find out more about HMS Ganges at www.hmsgangesmuseum.com, or visit the museum, located at the end of King Edward VII Drive, in Shotley, IP9 1QJ. last entry 16.30 We are also please to welcome visitors at any other time by prior appointment - please telephone 01473 788315 or 01473 788723 to arrange this. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. Martin Foster, 54, of Haig Road, Uxbridge, had already admitted two charges of fraud by abuse of position. On October 28 the White Ensign was lowered for the last time and the ships figurehead was transferred to Royal Hospital School, Holbrook. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. Mast erected using the foremast of HMS Cordelia, which was broken up 1904. I would like to see the mast and museum moved to the safety of HMS Raleigh though to ensure its upkeep and maintenance. Maybe we boxed each other in the Shotley annexe! For spite I think, because it wasn't compulsory. For breakfast porridge was on offer, that salt-coated gruel I'd been forced to eat every morning of my schoolboy days. Not to the required half-moon, but to the first platform, where, when authoritative eyes were averted, I dashed to the other side and climbed back down.. 10/01/36- 08/02/36 HMS Pembroke. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can The site was closed in 1976 and was used as a maaried quarter estate by the RAF. Did my intro to Pusser at HMS Raleigh in ' 52 . Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. Sad to see such an establishment close as it was so full of history and meant so much to so many. Mr Davis added: They have had the last conditions, including the fire hydrants agreed. H.M.S. contact the editor here. Ken said: It was a dreadful winter. Martin Foster was treasurer for veterans who served at HMS Ganges training base in Sufffolk. Like lots of other boys I ran away from home when I was 14 yrs old and joined the Royal Navy as a Boy Seaman 2nd class. HMS Ganges being broken up after training was transferred to the land base at Shotley (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). On his 15th Birthday he was sent, with 2000 other boys, to the notorious HMS Ganges training establishment at Shotley Point where a harsh regime held sway. A Gannett Company. When I say there was sexual abuse Im speaking from personal experience. ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth), Listen to No Flowers for Geordie on SoundCloud. Most boys just wanted to complete their year and go to sea. Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. Shotley Marina, Shotley Gate, Ipswich, IP9 1QJ. It. The pipe (whistle) was used aboard ship for passing orders and instructions. Were you at HMS Ganges? Editors' Code of Practice. JavaScript is disabled. HMS Ganges (1821) This page summarises records created by this Organisation The summary includes a brief description of the collection (s) (usually including the covering dates of the. (LogOut/ George Douglas Blake HMS Warspite. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please MT2 Served from 1965 - 2021 Served in HMS Ganges. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. The money belonged to the HMS Ganges Association for people who served at the former naval training base at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, Suffolk. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. The overall height is 143 feet 10 inches, with the button being 11 inches diameter and 3 inches thick. Photos showing the rusting mast at the former site of HMS Ganges at Shotley peninsula have been released on social media, prompting concerns that the 142ft high structure is not being properly. Finally he withdrew his hand and declared I passed the test. Former recruit John Youngman said it would be "nice to see it restored to its former glory". It would seem those boy-sailors who were seconds ago shoving sausages into smiling faces, had all disappeared into that terrifying building, and by the cries belching from its belly were being eaten alive. in the RN with the nickname Doc. This page is dedicated to the memory of Tony whose commitment to the Royal Navy and especially HMS Ganges was unlimited. Picture: SARAH LUCY BROWN, Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. 1905 to 1976 saw 150,000 recruits pass through HMS Ganges. After initial training we were marched from the training camp. Among his many punishments, he suffered cuts, a particularly brutal form of Naval punishment. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's They were both Ordinary Seamen, one aged 17 and the other aged 18. Saw your message. This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Free (donations towards running costs are welcome) Please Login or Register. ", The honours board from the HMS Ganges, showing the victories of all the Royal Navy ships bearing the name (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). Royal Navy 238217 Boy 1st Class HMS Ganges II. He went on to be an SD subby. You are using an out of date browser. One not only suffered the punishment such as doubling up and down the steps of laundry hill with a 303 rifle held high. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. "Most of what was on the site went to the naval museum in Portsmouth, but we have the honours board and figurehead from the original ship. While the training ship was originally based in Cornwall, she was moved to Harwich, and then Shotley in the 1890s, in order to be closer to a centre of population. We can reunite you with your friends who served at HMS Ganges and we have a wealth of information on different units, bases and ships in the site. The next six years passed with regular naval detentions, ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth) exhausting punishments, solitary confinements, ending with a twelve month sentence in the infamous HMP Corradino, Malta. Work on the scheme, which would see 285 new homes, a 60-bed nursing home, a large retail space and areas for medical services, will not be started until a spine road through the site, which will take the bulk of construction traffic away from main roads, is built. One person found this helpful. We were ordered to turn around and bend over, if the instructor was satisfied we were clean, we were allowed out. This portion was taken from the foremast of the corvette Cordelia which was paid off . "It's very high - you get a good view though.". Today lots of those instructors (JIs and Badgeboys included) would be in front of the beak for various abuses, harassment and bullying. Shotly Jan 7 1967 , 4 weeks in the annex, 11months in the main establishment,left the RN after 26 years, as C.C.MEA(P) and you could tell Ganges trained men a mile off, Regrets not a bit.Sorry for the lad in my class that drank a pint of pussers disinfectant (The black stuff that turned white when you added water) I believe he got his Discharge. When the Gunnery Instructor was finally satisfied, you put the lot back in your locker as before. For more information, please see our Privacy Policy, Please enter a password with 6 characters or more. Ganges training establishment. Graduating from Ganges held the promise of better times ahead, we would be real sailors, excited at the prospect of visiting far off and exotic lands. My heart sank and my elation evaporated as I desperately tried to quash all fears of my body falling from the Devil's Elbow. His early life was hard by any standards. Welcome to our next documentary, investigating the decaying remains and iconic abandoned swimming pool of HMS Ganges Royal Naval training school, as well as . Martin Foster, 54, of Haig Road, Uxbridge, had already admitted two charges of fraud by abuse of position. He was subsequently dismissed from the service and returned to civilian life. 1976. It was at Shotley Point that the wooden ship HMS Ganges was berthed from 1899, and used as a cadet training ship for the Royal Navy. In 1907, its famous 143ft (44m)-high training . HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships from 1779 onwards, but in 1905 it was chosen for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich, where about 500 boy recruits were stationed. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). Witnessed and can only describe from what other boys told me what was the worse,. Stay out of the green spaces earmarked for the content of external sites this was! 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