However I did pay out of pocket to replace by valve cover gasket at a BMW dealership 2 years ago. Yesterday I did get all the fault codes cleared. Looks all good. Yes, for mine BMW was due to a fault to the timing chain tensioner. Seems like this is on the list. And yes the crank wouldnt rotate after being inserted. Thats important to know for later. It idles fine and sounds much better than before. Thank you in advance. Thank you again. Also after several drives and lower temperatures the fault disappeared. CAUSE Location: Chicago. Hi, I have N20 with rough idle. Question,,,,,why did we replace the DME with a used one,,,that might be a problem,,,,a used DME can not be used because it is programmed and encoded to a different car,,,,what is wrong with your DME? Even though work time labor operation code 61 00 006 ends in 006, it is not considered a Main Reprogram the vehicle ISTA/P 2.51.0 or higher. Look into loose connectors. she said light came on oil pressure error stop immidiatly Yes that crack in the timing chain guide should be enough to replace the timing chain and guide rails,,,,the way we decide if the car is covered is by whine noise,rattle noise,broken pieces of timing chain guide,,,how before we get the extended warranty that is hard to say,,,it all depends on the legal side of the lawsuit Im sorry to say. The car has 103,000 miles. To set the timing properly you have to be sure the Vanos units are locked its end position, so its moving 1:1 with the camshaft. Changed the solenoid valves. I called the mechanic he said it was a fault related to the emissions. Thanks for this. Im sorry,,,and I hate how BMW has handled the whole problem with the N20-N26 engine and timing chain issue,,,I understand your frustration with BMW and how they didnt take care of this known problem. How do you check the oil pressure? You could replace the tensioner if you like,,,you should be ok since your car was probably built in 2015.,,,,you could ask your local dealership on what they think about your car and the timing chain issue. https://youtu.be/FQ92t236Utg. These are all pretty standard specs for most modern BMW engines. The head mechanics at BMW Santa Monica have no idea either. Defect Code: 11 36 01 96 00 Here the vehicle was driven only at SP98. Maybe I should replace them? I couldnt tell based on reading the comments and such, should I call up my BMW dealer ASAP to get this fixed? Maybe a stupid question but I noticed the f31 328i xdrive is mentioned on the form but not the rw ? Hi there I have a 2013 BMW f30 320 d EFF engine N47 T EUR model N47D20O1 production date 25/03/2013 ,does this engine have timing chain problems 175.000 Kilometers. Idk what to do at this point im devastated. Its hard to say but you might have a problem with vanos units, It could be electrical,,,but it doesnt say no signal or short circuit,,,,you could clear the faults and see what faults come back. My engine is N52 DME. SB-10053485-8362 My daughters car had the timing chain issue N20. When I go to accelerate now, the engine lags. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. BMW replaced the motor and shipped it to us in AZ from Virginia. Are there many vehicles that run on ethanol in the United States? F025-13-07-506 for the F25 Its a possibility that the motor could be saved,,,,but it would take a lot of money and time,,,there has been some people of done their own DIY and fixed the engine depending on what is damaged,,,if it is just the timing chain,rails , oil pump and hopefully the bearing arent bad and no damage to the pistons and valves the repairs might not be that bad,,,,you have to realize you have 176k miles which is a lot.,,,and what about the transmission is that next to fail? To my shame, I am not sure how to post video in your blog. As the outgoing N52 and N53 were reliable engines, the BMW N20 had big shoes to fill, especially given its turbocharged design. I just purchased a 2016 228i xDrive Cabriolet (manufactured in Germany) with 46k kilometers for my wife. Code 132408 Vanos Exhaust Intake camshaft not locking at start up Together with my BMW dealership service history and my own service records there was no issues and the repair was completed within a few days. Charging pressure control: Switch-off as consequence Technical Service How do I approach the dealer saying I hear a noise and whatnot for them to fix it while it is still under warranty? I brought the car to the dealer and they updated the DME as I found about the bulletin but unfortunately fault came back. So for the E89 Z4 only the 28i N20 powered model is affected and not the 20i sDrive? My 2013 328i was doing the same thing. Other engines may have this same scenario, but it's not typical. 133E10 -permanent valvetronic system: deactivated, adjustment fault too frequent Its hard to say what the problem is without see the car and performing some test,,,but it doesnt sound good when the low oil pressure light came on,,,sound like something major happened internal inside the engine. Having the same. I still have under 70k miles and not reached 7 years. What me be causing this? Yes I have seen some engines survive,,,,it just hard to say what damage was done to the engine and how bad it is,,,,and is it worth fixing. Looking forward to the return of your blog. Hi greatings from Norway i have also a Bmw 320i GT-xdrive with 97k-km i dont hear any winning on the chain.I dont find in your list f34 320i Gt from 07.2013 that means that is not afected or just is not on the list i called allso BMW-and they said that my car is not on the extendet waranty list.Im verry stresed with this timming chain issue every time when i go on the car i listen to the engine is like ridding a time bomb.I am paning to change the timming chain at 150k-km even if is not making the noise.And whi there so many 328i afected and 320i not does it matter if mine is a xdrive?does the chain is more under load fi the care is x-drive? But that is all. Do you think it has to do something with the timing belt. 2D54 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Non-adjustable It was somewhat cold today around 20 degrees. Checked the Camshaft Journal Caps. N20 Vanos Solenoid Valve BMW tech info says the cams need to be locked down to remove the Vanos valve. I've tested the soleniods and they are both good. Thank you, Rev match I say problem. This will likely be the first and last BMW I will ever own. Four months later I got a drive train malfunction that turned on then went away after a day. 3. Did you hear anything like this before? Tried new battery. Today I changed Chain tensioner as preventative maintenance, but soon I start the car, I got Drivetrain Malfunction. Hi, I have a 2014 BMW 428i X drive coupe. diagnosis system checking faults) 176000km is only 110000 miles, that is a shame that such a nice compact power house(N20/N26 that is) can go bust in such young age, BMW really should step up and recall all the affected N20/N26 with defective parts. When the VANOS units were removed there was no visible trash. Not a good sign, had the same thing happen on 2013 X3. Car start very well but no power and check engine light on code po52b. Content on bimmerfest.com is generated by its users. Symptoms when timing chain fails is engine wont start,,,engine wont turn over,,,,have your mechanics see if he can turn the motor over by hand with a breaker bar on the front crank bolt. troubleshooting with the applicable test plan for the fault(s) stored. This situation can occur as a customer complaint, or after performing Thanks. The fault returns when its hot outside and comes back even faster when I turn on the air conditioning. I have a 2013 N20 engine in my X3 and want to remove the actuators to either clean or replace. Also how does a dealerships diagnose if a vehicle is eligible for extended timing chain warranty? as suggested by dealer over phone or something else? reference point is the same? Previous posts of timing chain upgrade explains my experience. Covered under the terms of the BMW New Car/SAV Limited Warranty or the BMW Certified Pre- Learn how your comment data is processed. i am getting the following error codes on my 2013 BMW X3 (107k miles): F30 N20 drivetrain malfunction after timing chain replacement at dealership : BmwTech 2 Posted by 2 years ago F30 N20 drivetrain malfunction after timing chain replacement at dealership Hey guys, I have a 2014 F30 with the N20 motor and the only mods are the dinan stage 3 tune and a dinan fmic. 130104 The VANOS solenoids were tested on the workbench using a 12 volt supply and they work. I had 2014 328i and having no issue yet so far,but im concern about the timing chain since my car is on the list of having problems with the timing chain,i checked the vin number to see if there is a recall for that and did not see anything,what should i do to double check ?should i go to dealership and just tell them about this bulleti? Work time (WT) labor operation 61 00 006 requires an individual punch time. dtc are 131401 and 131501 . everything in the vehicle works extremely well. The intake cam had the following desired/actual degrees: 0/-8, -20/-20, -10.4/-10, -20/-20 and -10.4/-10. Is this true? I saw a video where the chap replaced it without the locks and I thought it was an easy DIY. Cheers. 2013 BMW X1 E84 WITH N2O MOTOR 11400ML Usually the Vanos units lock in its default position when engine is turned off. With the engine running the function test for the exhaust and intake VANOS passes. Cleared the code, and restarted the engine, within . three fault codes are It also features dual VANOS, valvetronic, and direct injection. I have checked timing multiple times, I found this article online and this is what Im thinking right now!! Sorry for the confusion, No, 1; 120408 Charging pressure control: switch-off as consequence check got vanos dtc come to relies i switch the cam gears when i install them so i correct it after veh cranks but no start check timming over like 3 time it good. 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One or more of the following faults is stored in the There were no faults. But thats not what happened. test drove car, get a few codes. Thank you so much for your advice. No car manufacturer is going to tell you the problems with their car,,,they are just worried about the sale of that car,,,,not what is wrong with that car. It would get to 17% and quit. Hello and thank you for your various articles on the n20 engine. Could this be the timing chain? And is the tension just spring our does it rely on oil pressure as well? Thank You very much for the reply !! Also can sparkplugs have any influence to this situation? The BMW Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty applies to BMW CPO vehicles that are still but after 3-4 minutes these fault codes with a message -Drivetrain problem comes in the display. So temperatures make difference. Am I free of concern? You referenced this TSB in your comment to Ronnie back in 2017. https://www.bmwtis.net/tiscode/cgi-bin/bulletin.aspx?sie_path=/tsb/bulletins/htm_store/158 1/6/2014, Boy thats a old bulletin,,,,but yes this could be your issue,,,,you just need to check your integration level and make sure its below what is required. Ask an Expert Car Questions BMW Questions 3,220 Satisfied Customers Roger is online now Related BMW Questions Have an issue after replacing valve cover gasket the car has Page 4 of 4 If you are using a Main labor code for The short version of this story is that the car is working now. They unlock only when oil pressure is applied. Hello did you ever resolve that issue? My vehicle was produced in 1/2013 with N20 engine and is currently at 97K miles, I have previously posted my engine whining sound in your blog and you said it was timing chain whining, I took a picture of my timing chain guide rail when replacing valve cover gasket and there was a slight crack on timing chain guide rail do you think thats enough evidence for the dealership to approve timing chain warranty on my vehicle? my mechanic had replaced the both the vanos solonoids and cleared the faults. The BMW N20 is a 4-cylinder, turbocharged engine produced from 2011-2017, and was BMW's replacement for the naturally aspirated 3.0L 6-cylinder N52/N53 engines. U tell me, BMW my have a governor,,,but you still can over rev the engine,,,,it is a strange design that doesnt work,,,but I think BMW did this way so they can blame the customer for over reving the engine and not paying for a blown engine. . Engine (not including CAS) But one of the passages might have had some trash in it. I personally know of one person that had a total loss on their X1 engine in Saskatchewan back in 2016 before BMW Canada acknowledged a widespread issue with the timing chain on the N20. Loaner vehicle was included. Hi bmw technician. and it seems like they are about to settle this case on 9/2/2020. for this problem there is a software update available. The values changed. I realize that a limited amount of fuel can get into the oil as part of the combustion process, but I cant imagine that small amount breaking down plastic. Today I drove it 20 miles to several stores and it worked fine. I called BMW and they said no recalls on the car and told me to take it to a BWM Official garage. Changed the exhaust VANOS. Hello! For information on programming and coding with ISTA/P, refer to The spark plug have nothing to do with this problem,,,,they would cause misfires,,,I would think you should get some kind of signal from camshaft angle,,,,are you sure everything is plugged in correctly, Hello, My exhaust cam is retarding to the most far point , I time the engine with kit, locking crank, cam shaft and vanos. Im in california and Im planning to buy a used 2015 BMW X3 xDrive 28i (F25). 112,000 km / 7 years. We purchased it from a BMW dealership, they didnt mention any potential issues with the timing chain components. SHAME ON BMW!!!!! E84 and E89: A forum community dedicated to BMW owners and enthusiasts. no hesitation. It possible a software issue,,,we have seen that before. Car history: before selling the car last owner took it to BMW, changed oil and filters, rear tires and spark plugs. Its hard to say what the problem is with out hearing and driving the car,,,,I dont think the noise is timing chain because that makes a whining noise,,,the only leak could be a exhaust leak but you said the steering also shakes,,,have you had the tires and rims checked make sure rims are not bent,,,also check the rear transmission mount make sure they are not cracked or broken,,,also check the drive belt tensioner could be a problem. The starter and engine appear to make no attempt to start. So I have an US 2013 BMW sdrive28i with 109k miles build date 02/2013. The BMW N20, introduced in 2011, was the first four-cylinder BMW engine to be sold in the North American market in over a decade. You only touched an accessories belt part. 2D61 VANOS, exhaust, control fault, position not reached What could be the problem? Today my engine shut off while I was driving. The update can only be done at the dealer,,,you will only need a update if there is some kind of BMW recall on software or if at anytime your car might need some other repair which might call for a update for the repairs.,,,your 2009 is a lot older system,,,that car is like Windows XP compared to Windows 10,,,,lol,,,there's a big difference both Cloning means making full copy of ISN files from original DME and copy it over to use DME, So what happens if the ISN files are corrupted and you just copied it over to the other DMEare the pins damaged on the original DME ,,,or are the connection on the harness damage,,,,we just had a car last mouth where the harness was damaged for the fuel injector signals causing fuel to dump,,,the harness was damaged on the connector for the DME,,,you might have to perform OHM test on the harness to make sure the harness and connections are good. The VANOS solenoids were removed/reinstalled several times to check the timing and one time to test the solenoids electrically. It cannot be timing. What should I do next? Now I'm getting the drivetrain malfunction every time I start my car. Hello again, hope you having great day!! when he took a test drive, the codes again cam back. So I drive a 2011 335i N55 and yesterday I was driving home and on the way i was trying to pass a car, hit the gas and as soon as i started to pick up, a malfunction light came on and immediately went into LIMP mode. 3: 130304 VANOS (Variable camshaft timing) exhaust: control fault, camshaft stuck Hi Andreas, This question has appeared in your blog before. Everything works, radio, windows, Locks. Could you please guide me? I have 2013 x3 with N20 that just finished replacing timing chains guides tensioners etc. 131808 Intermittent Exhaust variable camshaft timing control (VANOS) cost start position not reached. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It appears to be a relatively simple, .5 hr swap. The improved DME software was introduced possible to remove the snap ring and take out the VANOS spool valve and clean it? N20 and N26 Engine: Various VANOS System Faults Stored in DME MODEL E84 E89 F10 F25 F30 F31 F34 . Im getting error codes 120408 Charging Pressure Control: Switched off. If one of the applicable faults listed above is stored in the DME then continue with the Also camshaft sensors also does not give any data to DME. The update can only be done at the dealer,,,you will only need a update if there is some kind of BMW recall on software or if at anytime your car might need some other repair which might call for a update for the repairs.,,,your 2009 is a lot older system,,,that car is like Windows XP compared to Windows 10,,,,lol,,,theres a big difference both cars and software,,,also your 2009 mow doesnt make any new updates for that car because of age. Any thoughts!!! This second mechanic doesnt have a scope to check the engine like the dealership did so now Im just confused and concerned that one or the other is missing something. Should I worry about the timing chain issue? So far I reset it and it's gone and drove it like 30 miles but kinda worried . Search button, and then enter the applicable flat rate labor operation in the FR code field. Apr 14, 2022 BMW F30 328i 2013 N20 engine "Drivetrain malfunction etc" comes on occasionally. 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